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- From: Minsoo Park <parkmin AT u4sd.org>
- To: Pattsi Petrie <pattsi2 AT gmail.com>
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- Subject: Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II"
- Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 11:55:51 -0600
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P2Just an aside--I used Hacker's boo, Two Nations: Black and White, in social planning class for years.Just a macro thought--is not the educational goal is to teach people how to think logically? If my assumption has merit, then that is a missing ingredient in Hacker's book. And I might be very tempted to argue that these courses in math are secondary to accomplish logic thinking compared to philosophy and logic.And from where I presently sit in my community role, there is a massive lack of the ability to think and argue logically.On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Charles Schultz <sacrophyte AT gmail.com> wrote:_______________________________________________Thanks for sharing that video, George - interesting comparison between Latin and Algebra. :)How do we determine what people need? How do you balance that against what they want?--On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Reese, George Clifford <reese AT illinois.edu> wrote:This one is really making the rounds quickly. As did Hacker’s NYTimes editorial of a few years ago.
Peter Braunfeld, who I’m told is cited in Hacker’s book (I’m getting a copy), did a talk on Hacker’s editorial a couple years ago for us at MSTE.
My own opinion is that a thoughtful reconsideration of the entire high school mathematics sequence is required.
Algebra, Statistics, and Computer Science/Discrete Mathematics makes much more sense for most students than the current sequence which is mostly a preparation for calculus that few people need to be productive, mathematically literate citizens.
George
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Subject: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II"
Good morning,
I am hoping to solicit professional opinions from practioners, educators and researchers. Having climbed (and struggled) through 4 years of college math classes that I have never ever used at all, what are the pros and cons of replacing the theory-heavy math classes with something a bit more practical, with an eye towards training democratic (lower case 'd') citizens?
The author of the article, Dana Goldstein, is speaking mostly about Andrew Hacker's "The Math Myth", but also balances it out with a couple other opinions/theories as well. The ideas put forth by Ms. Goldstein resonated with my own experiences, so I am seeking other perspectives.
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Charles Schultz
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- [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Charles Schultz, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Chuck Jackson, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Reese, George Clifford, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Smith, Kathleen Rapp, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Charles Schultz, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Pattsi Petrie, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Minsoo Park, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Reese, George Clifford, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Minsoo Park, 03/03/2016
- Re: [Ctrl-Shift] Looking for a professional opinion: "Down with Algebra II", Pattsi Petrie, 03/03/2016
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